The Decline of the American Empire — with Robert Kaplan and Faisal Al Yafai

On this week’s episode, acclaimed journalist and author Robert Kaplan joins New Lines’ Faisal Al Yafai on The Lede for a discussion on Donald Trump, the Iraq War and his new book “Waste Land: A World in Permanent Crisis.”

Further listening: The American Experiment From Outside and Within — with Hari Kunzru and Faisal Al Yafai

Produced by Finbar Anderson